Sabine Ercklentz plays it 'the old way' in the United Women's Orchestra, as well as salsa and 'more tangible' jazz, but during her musical exploration she uses it only as a 'sound source'. She practically doesn't use the mouthpiece, and hardly ever a mute, asserting that air and breath are the most important. Thus aeration devoid of any mechanical intermediate device, is processed electronically. This method is again unusual, but in a different way than with Andrea. It also most definitely works, especially between two people who are able to listen to one other. The sample-copy-paste modus forms the basis of a rhythmic cacophony, which is based on the very breath that makes it an aspiration of microtonal practice.